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Iraqi Parliament Voted — They Want Us Out!

Fri May 11, 2007 3:37 AM EDT
politics, iraq-war, voted, iraqi-parliament, us-troop-withdraw
By Blog4Brains.com

Media Credit: Ahmed Al Rubayyh / Getty Images
The Iraqi parliament voting during a parliament session.

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While we dicker back and forth in Congress about what to do about Iraq, and while Bush is digging in with veto after veto stating that if we leave chaos will follow, it was reported on AlterNet that the Iraqi parliament, for the first time, had a majority vote on a timetable for US troop withdraw from their country. This non-binding petition was signed by the 144 parliament members on Tuesday. "The next goal is to 'present the petition, which is nonbinding, to the speaker of the Iraqi parliament and demand that a binding measure be put to a vote.' " Now isn't it strange that we didn't hear a peep about this? I would call this a significant development demanding some sort of news coverage. Again, if this is a sovereign country who has a democratically elected parliament, which was the alleged main reason for this war, why don't we recognize their government's vote? If they don't want us there, why the hell are we staying? What's even more scary is this is not the first time?

According to a news release on Think Progress, on "June 2006, Rubaie was calling for a significant troop reduction. He wrote in the Washington Post, 'We envisage the U.S. troop presence by year's end [2006] to be under 100,000, with most of the remaining troops to return home by the end of 2007.' Rubaie's call for 'more patience' is increasingly out of touch with Iraqi opinion."

What has allowed this to happen for so long is that the lawmakers who are demanding an end to the occupation now have the upper hand in the Iraqi legislature for the first time. Previous attempts at a similar resolution fell just short of the 138 votes needed to pass. What's interesting is that getting anything done in this parliament is difficult because there are 275 members but many have fled the country's civil conflict and it has been difficult to even obtain a quorum to pass resolutions. We expect them to work to reconcile the warring religious sects, divide the vast oil revenues between the parties and vote on a new constitution, when they can't even get their act together enough to decide whether they want us there or not? They sound like our Congress where nothing ever gets done.

Another thing that has developed in Iraq that just doesn't get any news attention is that there is an upcoming political showdown in Iraq. According to the Daily Kos article:

"The major schism in Iraqi politics is not between Sunni and Shia or supporters of the Iraqi government and anti-government forces, nor is it a clash of moderates against radicals; the defining battle for Iraq at the political level today is between nationalists trying to hold the Iraqi state together and separatists backed, so far, by the United States and Britain."

So, let's take a closer look at this development. We invaded Iraq ostensibly due to WMDs but in actuality, the Neocons wanted to export democracy to Iraq. We storm in, kick out Saddam (who managed very well to hold the country together and suppress sectarian violence by the way), install a "democratic" government and then ignore it, only to have it all fall apart because they can't decide whether they want to remain one nation or separate states? Why can't we just let them make that determination? If it's not really the sectarian divide but more of a constitutional fuss, we need to just let them get on with it and decide their own future.

I will NEVER understand Bush and Co.'s logic in this whole mess, but I guess that's the point, there is no logic. It's all decision by emotion. It's all about what "we" think is best, what "we" think they need and by golly, we're going to give it to them whether they want it or not. Yet, let's just go on ignoring their little votes in parliament and "stay the course", playing human targets for the angry mobs. After all, if they have Americans around the corner that they can kill over there, they won't need to come to Wall Street and kill us here (as espoused by conservative Fox News pundit Dick Morris).

Maybe that's the real strategy all along. At least there is some logic to it; however, abhorrent it is. My only question is, "When will we stop deciding Iraq's fate, and let them run their own government?" We are not only in the way but we are seriously aggravating the whole situation and this isn't just in Iraq, it's the whole Middle East.

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Babar Ali

i just saw an interview earlier this week where an official said that the troops would leave if the Iraqi's asked them too. Lets see what BS excuse they come up with now.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Fri May 11, 2007 5:52 AM EDT
Blog4Brains.com

Yea, one of the republican presidential candidates said the same thing. I can't remember which one though.

  • 2 votes
#1.1 - Sat May 12, 2007 1:51 AM EDT
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Spacegoat

They vote for us to leave, they decide to take a two month vacation. It sounds like their heart just isn't in this democracy thing. I say so be it. This would be a good out for us. You don't want us there? Fine, enjoy your country.

  • 3 votes
Reply#2 - Fri May 11, 2007 9:26 AM EDT
Division by Zero

Our own Congress takes about a 6-week recess during the summer, usually from the middle of July until the beginning of September. What's the deal about the Iraqi parliament taking a recess?

  • 3 votes
#2.1 - Fri May 11, 2007 11:57 AM EDT
Spacegoat

It's not our country that is currently in the middle of a civil war.

  • 2 votes
#2.2 - Fri May 11, 2007 12:53 PM EDT
Babar Ali

but it is our country responsible for it. i think both congresses should stay in office and skip a trip to their summer homes for the sake of humanity. their congress for obvious reasons, and our congress to provide assistance to them and keep Dubya under control.

  • 2 votes
#2.3 - Fri May 11, 2007 3:57 PM EDT
Spacegoat

I wouldn't argue with that. Make them earn their keep.

  • 1 vote
#2.4 - Fri May 11, 2007 4:17 PM EDT
Blog4Brains.com

I think the more we go against their wishes the worse it will get. If they want us out, we should get out. If we stay regardless of what they say, it will make us look really, really... hmm, not good for a lack of a better term at the moment.

  • 3 votes
#2.5 - Sat May 12, 2007 1:54 AM EDT
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Glinda

Kind of off-topic but I notice the parliamentary recess idea getting alot of negative attention. Just an FYI, although it does seem outrageous, the summer recess is traditional in parliamentary democracies and seems to be an inheritance from the original British system - the UK shuts down June to September; Canada, India and Australia do as well.

I don't know if the US government has the summer off as well - if so, I'm off-base.

Is it because of the Iraq situation in particular or just the idea of a summer holiday for politicians?

    Reply#3 - Fri May 11, 2007 10:41 AM EDT
    Spacegoat

    It's more because their country is in shambles. Isn't it obvious?

      #3.1 - Fri May 11, 2007 10:51 AM EDT
      Glinda

      Spacegoat - it's obvious the country is in a shambles. It's not obvious to me what effect the current Iraqi parliament might be expected to have on that. Even this vote is non-binding, ie. it's basically a petition. You would need to get a full quorum to pass an actual bill - and they evidently have a problem achieving that. Beyond that, what is parliament supposed to be debating? How to end the war and live together? how to rebuild infrastructure and improve life for Iraqis?

      A recess starting from July may leave several crucial pieces of U.S.-supported legislation unfinished, including a bill for distributing oil revenue

      That's from the International Herald Tribune but available at all major news sources. The other biggie seems to be a bill reversing the US-imposed banishment of sunnis and baathists from holding government jobs - not sure why that can't wait until there is a real government to run.

      Considering the dangers involved in just traveling to parliament in Baghdad, I can sympathise if members feel it's not worth it just to pass bills dictated to them from Washington.

        #3.2 - Fri May 11, 2007 12:15 PM EDT
        luckydog

        Also have you seen how much time Bush takes off? I guess it is because being the commander guy is such hard work.

        • 2 votes
        #3.3 - Sat May 12, 2007 1:59 AM EDT
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        luckydog

        Perpetuating a mistake by reinforcing that mistake is not going to make it better, only worse.

        "I hope our wisdom will grow with our power, and teach us that the less we use our power the greater it will be." Thomas Jefferson

        Read Why the Bush Strategy Doesn't Work

        • 3 votes
        Reply#4 - Fri May 11, 2007 4:45 PM EDT
        Blog4Brains.com

        I am not too sure what you mean by "reinforcing that mistake". Do you mean by staying in a country where we should not be in the first place? If so, I agree. If not, could you elaborate?

        • 3 votes
        #4.1 - Sat May 12, 2007 1:57 AM EDT
        luckydog

        Yes, I believe that attacking Iraq was a huge mistake in the sense that they did not pose a threat to us which was the original reason given.
        Whether this was a miscalculation on the Bush administration's part or simply cover for going in for some other reason such as coveting their oil, a base to project power throughout the middle east or whatever.
        Either way, obviously it isn't working out the way they planned so reinforcing that mistake by escalation is compounding the original mistake when really there is virtually no hope of making up lost ground before the political realities of an unpopular war force a pullout.
        In other words "Bush blew it".

        • 2 votes
        #4.2 - Sat May 12, 2007 2:30 AM EDT
        gpnavonod

        Perpetuating a mistake by reinforcing that mistake is not going to make it better, only worse.

        as in buying more stock cause the price per share is falling is very risky business
        but here it's lives lost as well as money

        • 2 votes
        #4.3 - Sun May 13, 2007 4:01 AM EDT
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